• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    i assume by disable they probably mean, something along the lines of irreversibly contaminating the whole of the assembly line.

    I’d be curious to know how specifically they’re going about this.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      What happened if… purely hypothetically… China develops competitive chip fabrication plants that exports at scales rivalrious to Taiwan.

      And then fear of an invasion provokes detonation of Taiwan’s own facilities.

      Wouldn’t this turn China into a domestically source monopoly of high end chips?

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        4 months ago

        It’s easier said than done. A few key pieces took decades to figure out and even now many can only be produced by one or two companies, like ASML.

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            4 months ago

            Marketing terms mean nothing. SMIC’s nodes are nowhere near the real transistor density of TSMC’s or even Intel’s.

            But what’s worse than that are the yields. I don’t believe we have public numbers on their newest node yet, but their self-reported yields on their “7nm” process as of late 2022 was a pathetic 10-15%. TSMC’s 7nm yield (and you should remember that TSMC’s 7nm is vastly superior to SMIC’s) was getting over 70% yield when it was in pre-production trialing.

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                  4 months ago

                  The Chinese firms are end running US sanctions with improved technologies and your response seems to be “But their chips aren’t as good so it doesn’t count”.

                  Nevermind the rapid pace of development or the fact that only TSMC and Samsung seems capable of matching it.

                  The idea that Chinese manufacturers need Taiwan is demonstrably false.

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          4 months ago

          Israel grants Intel $3.2 billion for new $25 billion chip plant

          But Intel has long since fallen behind the pack of semiconductor manufacturers. If they could just do their own Taiwanese foundry, they’d have done it by now and reaped comparable boosts in revenue.

          As it stands, China is the majority manufacturer of semiconductors - responsible for more than half of all chips produced - because they’re building foundries far faster and at higher quality than their American peers at Intel.

          Taiwan is the only country keeping pace with China. Losing them would only strengthen the Chinese export market.

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            4 months ago

            As it stands, China is the majority manufacturer of semiconductors - responsible for more than half of all chips produced - because they’re building foundries far faster and at higher quality than their American peers at Intel.

            the reason why they produce half of all semi conductors, probably has more to do with the type of semi conductors they produce, mainly IC chips. As opposed to things like CPUs and GPUs, they’ve only recently started getting into that space. The intels and TSMCs of the world produce highly optimized designs and fab processes specifically for things like CPUs and GPUs.

            A chip with 8 and gates on it is probably vastly easier to produce than an 8088 cpu, for example.

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      4 months ago

      Depends how its set up. So long as it’s fully independent and disconnected from existing digital infrastructure it should be safer. It could be as simple as explosives hard-wired with a buried line running up into some bunker up in the mountains.

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        4 months ago

        So long as it’s fully independent and disconnected from existing digital infrastructure it should be safer.

        It’s a puzzle, because anything with too many safety features can be easily disarmed. But anything with too few can be prematurely detonated.

        Imagine what happens to the Taiwanese economy if there’s a Chinese feint or false alarm and the facility bricks itself. A massive economic downturn would not work to the benefit of an island so heavily reliant on foreign trade.

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      4 months ago

      My understanding is that some of the benefits China would get from invading Taiwan is the control of Taiwan’s world-leading semiconductor industry. So making it public knowledge that any invading force (i.e. China) would not be able to take over their production capabilities is a small deterrent.

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        4 months ago

        Taiwan’s world-leading semiconductor industry

        China already produces over 50% of the world’s semiconductors.

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    4 months ago

    The question is if their remote disable will be triggered before the US blows the factory up anyway.

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        4 months ago

        You know what doesn’t convince people to rethink how they view America, or empire?

        Arbitrarily inserting comments like that into topics where they’re disconnected and off topic.

        Wait a minute…are you a DoD contractor whose mission it is to make any critic of America look whiney and detached from reality?

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            Mitch McConnell’s wife and Trump’s Secretary of Labor - Elaine Chao - is from a family of enormously wealthy Taiwanese shipping magnets.

            California is flush with Taiwanese-born politicians, business owners, and investors.

            Taiwanese’s ruling class goes to school in the US, owns property in the US, and has a very friendly relationship with the American financial system.

            I would put them more on par with Israel than, say, the Philippines or some Latin American Banana Republic. They’ve got much more influence over us than a traditional client state like Puerto Rico or Guam.

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    4 months ago

    This is a good thing, but it’s hardly unique. Any advanced manufacturing facility will have remote access to their equipment in case an operator needs reconfigure it, transfer data, or in this case if they’re invaded by Lesser Taiwan.