They also said (different episode I think) that while they’re enjoying their lives (e.g. at a concert), knowing that Palestinians are suffering makes it better. Can you imagine being that much of an evil cunt?

Clip is in this video: https://youtu.be/j_uOJAKbGpg?si=ojFCDchAJw_B7Anb

Ok cool, then yeah we agree!

Next time I will say this.

DISCLAIMER: America has a two party system. In the current political climate, both parties are supportive of Israel and voting therefore offers no way to solve this issue. Trump is also worse than Harris on this issue. Not voting only helps the republicans, and if you don’t agree with their platform, the only rational electoral choice is to vote blue. While you may disagree with some policies, one has to make a pragmatic decision on election day. Voting is a chess move not a love letter. The death will continue regardless, we have no power to stop it.

Boy I sure wish American weapons weren’t being used to do a genocide. It would be nice if Harris didn’t want to keep doing that.

We can be loud about it - and we absolutely should

That… that’s what we’re doing?

but don’t make the mistake of thinking this is an issue we can solve with votes during this election cycle

Pretty sure most people understand that. Hence this whole story and the discussion. We have unfortunately learned that Harris is fine with supplying weapons that Israel will undoubtedly use to kill children, and obviously Trump would do the same with even fewer moral qualms.

I don’t like it any more than you do, but this isn’t a problem that’s about to be solved by denigrating Harris about it.

Then how do you propose people express their dissatisfaction with this particular policy? I think denigrating someone for a decision I don’t agree with is perfectly legitimate. Isn’t that what freedom of speech is for?

I’m also not saying you should be quiet about it.

You may not be but it seems other people are. The person I was responding to implied that it should be coupled with an election disclaimer. I’ve had plenty of arguments where people basically say this is “pro Trump” or Russian messaging. There is an incredibly strong implication that we should be quiet about it and fall in line.

But an understanding of, and a communication of, the nuance involved on our (American) end of the situation might help folks not knee jerk lash out at you.

Sorry but the word “nuance” here kills me. It is not complicated, and it is not nuanced. You have effectively no choice but to vote for one of two parties. One of those parties is headed by a fascist with sights on destroying American democracy. If you don’t like that you have to vote for the other party. If you don’t vote it mainly helps the worse guys. That is a lot of things but it is NOT NUANCE. It is a stupid, broken system.

It’s a non-issue electorally because neither side will make a major change to the current situation

It’s a non issue electorally (except not exactly given the large “uncommitted” vote and the risk that people will stay home and not vote) but it is a big fucking issue actually. In real life. Where we live. Shouldn’t we at least try to encourage a change of policy?

I’m sorry, I understand that you are trying to explain why people don’t like this criticism and that you agree with me broadly. It also seems you don’t think it’s bad to talk about this. But then I don’t really see what your point is? I understand how American elections work.

No, I think it’s a horrific policy.

Glad we agree. So FUCK HARRIS for continuing it.

I don’t think people need to add a “but Trump is worse” disclaimer when they say this because some people are too stupid to read up on policy before they vote. I see your point though, some people do be stupid.

But this isn’t tax policy or student loan forgiveness, it’s fucking genocide. If you don’t want to “look bad” you should just not support that.

You do realize it won’t be any different if her opponent is elected, right?

Do you think it’s a good policy? Can you name another area where it would be acceptable if the democrat policy was the same as the Trump policy?

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Translation: we make this shit up. Wouldn’t that be an issue with credibility and not factual reporting?

As always, fuck MBFC!

Gaza has been polio-free for 25 years and 95% of the population was vaccinated against the disease as of 2022, according to the WHO, though Haj-Hassan, the pediatrician, said that many Gazans, including newborns, have gone without vaccines or boosters for the last nine months.

The WHO said that it’s working with other U.N. agencies and health authorities in Gaza to assess how much the poliovirus has spread and determine what measures may be needed, including a “prompt” vaccination campaign.

Combatting any infectious diseases will present challenges for Gaza’s public healthcare system, which has been embattled and largely destroyed by Israeli forces. Only 16 out of the enclave’s 36 hospitals are even partially functional, and only 45 of the 105 primary health care facilities are operational, according to the WHO.

Some people would look you straight in the face and tell you that even though Israel did all this to the health care system, the enemy is Hamas and not the entire population of Gaza. As if they didn’t know what destroying hospitals leads to.

Go Corbyn! Despite all the smears he remains a good person fighting for what is right

Yeah I’m sure Putin’s top priority is infiltrating the Linux nerds and Trekkies in their natural habitat. Facebook? Nah. Reddit? Nyet. We need to go where the real action is.

I think this is less of a problem than you’re implying

The original and a still large instance is Lemmy.ml. The ML meaning Marxist Leninist.

Yeah I know, I subscribe to some communities there.

They even preemptively ban accounts who post outside of their instance if you say truthful things like NATO is a defensive alliance, Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine, or China is being imperialist themselves in SE Asia.

I will test this then! Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine and Putin is a cunt. Stalin was a monster. I’ll make similar comments over on ml at the next opportunity. (Edit let’s see how it goes https://lemmy.world/comment/11002066)

Just to be clear. I don’t doubt that there are normal people here who are pro Russia or are tankies. What I doubt is that real people are being paid money to “influence the conversation” on this relatively obscure platform. That’s all

Yeah but on Lemmy? Of all places?

Why would anyone pay someone to post on Lemmy? Not the biggest expense/exposure ratio, surely?

Lemmy is flooded with Russian influence

What do you mean by that? That people use “Russian” talking points or that there are literally bots/agitators directly from Russia trying to shape the narrative here?

This is just the “I won’t vote for Biden because Israel refuses to sign a ceasefire” bullshit all over again.

This is incredibly disingenuous. More like “Because he is arming, supporting and diplomatically protecting a genocidal government.” We know it’s not his fault Israel are assholes, it’s the stuff he is doing that is the problem.

They have no problem whatsoever with Trump’s policies. They have no problem whatsoever with project 2025.

My brother in christ why do you think we want Biden to actually be a good candidate?

Genocide supporting, doddering old Biden is a much better candidate than the unhinged far right felon that wouldn’t know the truth if it pissed on his face, BUT HE NEEDS TO WIN THE ELECTION FIRST. If being not as bad as trump was enough Hilary would have won.

It is precisely because I hate trump so much that I want Biden to be better. If you are in a debate with Trump and most people watching think you lost, you fucked up big time. The pigeon you’re playing chess with might have shit on the board and felt like he won, but you should have at least done enough so that the audience watching this didn’t fucking agree with him.

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I mean if Hamas and Israel both consider it a ceasefire, let’s by all means ignore that and defer to a random Lemmy user.

I’m not asking for deference, we both just found examples of continuing conflict. Why would you describe this as a ceasefire? You don’t need to believe me, just use your brain.

If two people are punching each other in the face but insist they are not fighting, what do we believe: them, or our own eyes?

It is obvious. Those hypothetical people are fighting. And likewise, there was no ceasefire.

Yeah I was confused about what you meant because of this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/03/palestinians-killed-israeli-strike-west-bank-jenin

And this: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

And this: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/pulling-trigger-first-resort-palestinians-killed-israeli-army-and-settlers-2022-enar

And all of this: https://pchrgaza.org/en/israeli-human-rights-violations-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-weekly-update-27-september-04-october-2023/

It seems like there was never a cease fire? Israel has been firing the whole time. And before you say that most of this was in the West Bank, it is all attacks on Palestine. Just because it has been broken up doesn’t make the people different and I don’t think Hamas and other militant groups see this as anything other than Israel attacking Palestine. Hamas called October 7th “Al-Aqsa Flood” for a reason.

How long had that “ceasefire” been going?