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    It’s also yet another example of how hard and fast the right will pivot to spin reality into more insane propaganda.

    Faux News Before: Hunter will never be indicted because Daddy Joe is corrupt!

    Faux News Now: Hunter is taking a fall for Daddy Joe to distract us all!

    See how that works. Not to mention their doublethink, such as Biden is “an evil mastermind” but he’s also a doddering old man who can’t spell his own name." And their faithful flock eat it up and believe it all, because it reinforces their expectations while wrapping their understanding of reality so much that they’re expectations become what the propaganda tells them they should be.

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    Dems: if our representative is guilty, get rid of them! Repubes: if our representative is guilty, forgive them!

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        While not convicted of a crime, I still believe that Al Franken did commit some non censual sexual acts, unwanted sexual advances and generally unprofessional conduct. He’s a funny and ascerbic comic, and I celebrate that, but I think I have a higher standard for someone who would advocate for everyone in my particular geographic region. Regrettably, he might actually be better than all the politicians in my whole state. That’s a sad thing to say.

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    Well yeah…the problem is that the republicans don’t accept when it works. We’ve know this for years now, some dem leader gets accused of something and they most often step down or get charged it was legit. Republicans get accused of something they actually did and praise lawd Jesus Christ sowhatifidid and they stay put.

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    It’s strange that people really believed anybody on the left would oppose some random corporate businessman’s sentencing.

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    The GOP is right, there is a 2 tiered justice system. It tilts in their favor at the moment. Look at all the shit Trump has gotten away with. Look at the light sentences handed down for a majority of the Jan 6 traitors. And they are still bitching about it.

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      Look at the illegitimate, corrupt, terrorists in SCOTUS currently ruling this country by fascist fiat.

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    Okay, yes, under the law that currently exists, Hunter Biden was absolutely guilty.

    On the other hand…

    Doesn’t it strike people as just a little bit fucked up that you can lose a fundamental constitutional right that easily? Should you lose the right to, say, vote if you smoke pot (which is still illegal under federal law!)? Should you lose the right to a trial by a jury of your peers, with legal representation, if you’re addicted to Oxy? Should you be forced to go to an evangelical, Christian nationalist church if you’re an alcoholic? There’s a pretty decent argument that conviction of a violent crime–including misdemeanor domestic battery–should cause you to lose your 2A rights. But this isn’t a case of someone being convicted of anything.

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      I do not think that we should tolerate any slavery, including those convicted of a crime. Nor should we remove the rights of those convicted of crimes. Incarceration as a profit mechanism only leads to exploitation.

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        Agree on all points. I’ll go farther and say that we need to be working towards rehabilitating people, rather than just warehousing them. The way we handle felons now encourages recidivism.

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      Counterpoint, no rights are absolute. There are conditions and restrictions on every “fundamental constitutional right.” Freedom of speech does not include slander or inciting violence. Freedom of religion does not protect abuse or acts of violence. Freedom to bear arms does not include weapons of war or negligent behavior.

      Addiction is a medical condition, and should not be treated by criminal courts. On the other hand, addiction does undermine an individual’s rational thinking. Should addicts be permitted to carry firearms? I don’t think that is an unreasonable restriction.

      The problem with my argument is that I don’t think our restrictions on gun ownership go nearly far enough. Addiction is a problem, but it’s not the most pressing problem we have related to gun violence.

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        Counterpoint, no rights are absolute. There are conditions and restrictions on every “fundamental constitutional right.”

        Further to that point, rights come with responsibilities. If you are going to forfeit those responsibilities to society then you are going to also forfeit some of the associated rights granted by society.

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          Counter-counterpoint: restricting rights after completion of a judicial sentence prevents convicts from reintegrating into society, which increases the odds of recidivism. If you want people to choose to act responsibly, they need to have the opportunity to do so.

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      I think that Hunter was only prosecuted for this crime because of who his father is. A real witch hunt. But at the same time, I’m not losing any sleep over it. He broke the law, and he’s someone with a lot of resources at his disposal and should have known better.

      As for the law itself, I think the law should exist, but the potential punishment of 25 years is absurd.

      I do think that keeping guns out of easy, legal, access of active drug abusers is appropriate. But as you say, without a conviction, the scope of those restrictions should be narrow and appeal-able.

      And the punishment for being untruthful on a checkbox of an application should be a slap on the wrist. Confiscation of the firearm(s), and maybe community service. It should be the governments job to do proper screening, not the applicants job to screen themselves out.

      But like I said before, I’m not going to lose any sleep over this, even if I do think it’s an unfair punishment for an arbitrarily enforced law, on someone targeted by a cult simply because of his family.

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        I absolutely disagree with keeping guns away from drug users (edit: for using drugs alone). Almost every American has a drug addiction, to caffeine at a minimum. Drugs can be safely handled as well as firearms. I believe that courses should be required that include training on proper safety and storage of firearms before purchase though, which should include warning about handling a firearm while intoxicated.

        I was drinking with friends one time a while ago and one of my close friends, who’s in the navy, had his handgun with him. He didn’t see an issue with getting drunk with his gun on him. Luckily we all convinced him to put it aside somewhere safe until he’s sober, which he argued about but conceded. Why is it legal to use alcohol and have a firearm (and be in the military even) but not something like pot?

        You should be considered for losing access to a firearm upon abusing that right by endangering someone or mishandling one. You shouldn’t lose it because the government decided to target a certain segment of society to disarm.

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        I do think that keeping guns out of easy, legal, access of active drug abusers is appropriate. But as you say, without a conviction, the scope of those restrictions should be narrow and appeal-able.

        Considering that the form 4473 that you have to sign to purchase a firearm makes no mention of alcohol, I think this is hypocritical, at best. What’s the difference between alcoholics owning a firearm, and heroin addicts owning a firearm? All I know is that I would be way less worried about the junkie gun owner than a raging alcoholic gun owner.

        Its a dumb law, that was probably spawned from racism. Nobody should have their gun rights removed if they did not do or threaten anything violent.

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    Bitch THIS is what the bias news is at work.
    Aoc is dumbing it down way too much but yes it is great that sometimes the system works.

    It is AWFUL it only works when it is in the favor of one side and that side is NEVER held accountable.

    So fucking weird that these Holy Christians are convinced their Christain republican figureheads and leaders are righteous, when everything about our current situation can equally biblically paint them as followers of the antichrist. but what do I know.

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    Is Hunter Biden even relevant to anything political? Are the Dems as a whole actually losing anything by letting him face this conviction?

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      He’s relevant in that this is the first time the child of a sitting president has been convicted of a felony, but I highly doubt that this will dissuade anyone who would have voted for Biden from doing so. Most people who say otherwise weren’t voting for him anyway. NOT letting him face the conviction would certainly have had a negative impact, though!

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        Honestly, him facing it very well could win votes I expect. It shows that he isn’t using the powers of the presidency to interfere with this, which is something Trump accuses him of, and also we all know Trump would do. It makes Biden the candidate of allowing the law to apply to people near the president and Trump the candidate who will use the office to protect himself and his “friends.” He’s already used it to pardon many who do his bidding.

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        Yeah that was pretty much my thoughts on it. He’s already done all the damage he’s going to do to Biden’s rep. Beyond that they don’t lose anything by letting him face consequences. Which didn’t seem too severe for the crime he was charged with from what I read. It’s not really comparable to the situation with Trump considering Trump is the front-runner for the republicans. Not that I think either of them should get off just saying this is kind of a stupid thing to grandstand over.

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      Not this election.

      Last election Hunter’s laptop was leaked containing an email that possibly incriminated a presidential candidate. That story was then falsely labeled as Russian Propaganda by the FBI directly influencing the election

      But this election there is nothing linked to Joe except for family ties.

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    AOC is dumber than a sack of bricks. Where are the business collusion charges then?

    The gun charges should have been brought years ago, this is such an obvious attention redirection it’s pathetic. But then the people who listen to mold like AOC don’t have any brain cells either.

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      Where are the business collusion charges then?

      Likely where the mishandling classified documents charges for Trump ended up.

      The gun charges should have been brought years ago

      Or not at all, because they’re bad laws that are capriciously enforced by Police/DAs/Judges more interested in chasing the media spotlight than any kind of public safety standard. Hunter go thrown to the wolves in order to prove the court system is fair, because he was any serious safety risk.

      people who listen to mold like AOC don’t have any brain cells either.

      The fixation on trashing a junior house rep with good fundraising numbers above any number of USAs, police chiefs, and judicial appointees with actual power is curious. People lose their fucking minds any time AOC gets handed a mic in a way I never see aimed at a Gavin Newsom or Ron DeSantis or Eric Adams.

      One almost begins to wonder if this outrage is manufactured by the Two Minute Hate mass media. Are you in any way sincere in your anger, or are you just passing down what you heard on the AM Radio this morning?

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        Or not at all, because they’re bad laws

        Fucking lol. ALL leftist claim they want more gun laws. But for Hunter “they’re bad laws”.

        What a joke. Democracy is dead, Democrats killed it. (then blamed white men)

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            Let not forget Biden specifically campaigned for more gun laws.

            Whatever you call them, pretending that now, suddenly, they’re ‘bad laws’ is yet another example of how The Left™ says one thing then does another. Without double-standards they’d have none at all.

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              Why do you think the guy who gave the eulogy at Strom Thurmond’s funeral is farther to The Left than the guy who signed the Mulford Act in California?

              Without double-standards they’d have none at all.

              Tough on Crime Conservatives have been carving away at gun rights for over 80 years. Whether it was the National Rifle Association, condemning the Smith & Wesson Magnum revolver as a weapon that should be exclusively carried by the police or the Klu Klux Klan’s gun-grabbing Jim Crow laws passed in the Deep South, or the Gun Free School Zone Act (what a fucking joke) that was championed and signed by George Herbert Walker Bush in 1990 or the Trump militarization of the US-Mexico border under the pretext of halting gun traffic, Republicans have always staunchly defended the right of state governments to take your firearms.

              Biden might be President of the liberal party, but he’s played up his “centrist” credentials through his championship of conservative gun control measures. He is right in line with the Republican mainstream on this subject.

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      Do you ever wonder why you almost always have negative down votes? Maybe you should get checked for brain worms